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May 20, 2012 22:56:55 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 20, 2012 22:56:55 GMT -6
Due to the fact that there is always another event going on, or chances of rain or holiday weekends....
I'm going to have to make it a 4 car minimum on the ProSteet class for the advertised payout. If less than 4 cars it will pay $100 to win and $50 for r/u.
After another slow weekend, I'm just going to put this out there....if the track doesn't start making money by the July shootout, I'm probably done. I have a great group of racers that come and support every weekend or during the shootouts, but there is just not enough of you to make the track profitable.
We are going to do more radio ads and also we will be set up in Central Mall Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Chad Sheffield was kind enough to let me use his car in the display to try to do some advertising and sell some tickets for the shootout in advance.
So I've advertised and got the track hooking better than it ever has. The only thing I haven't tried is putting up a ton of money to try to get more racers to show up. Honestly I'm not going to take that gamble.
So if anyone has any suggestions...lets hear them!
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May 20, 2012 22:59:42 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 20, 2012 22:59:42 GMT -6
While we are talking about changes, during the June shootout, racers will be allowed two crew members on the line and they will have to have armbands. We will have security in place this time lol.
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May 20, 2012 23:39:38 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 20, 2012 23:39:38 GMT -6
Just my Opinion..and I'm sure I will be bashed for it...but so be it. Cars aren't going to show up to put on a show for the track and run for their own money when other tracks are paying good payouts. I have talked to several 7.0 and 6.0 racers from Centerville and Prescott to get you a higher car count. Everyone I talk to is interested...Until they are told there is no pay out other than a 80/20 split of their own entry fee. Was just at Prescott this last weekend and we had 26 in 7.0 and 18 in 6.0 racing for 500 and 200. Centerville has any where from 15 to 25 on 7.0 and 6.0 nights and racing for 500 and 200. Like they say...It takes money to make money, people aren't going to make a long haul to race for an unknown non guaranteed payout. Just my opinion. I'm not going to bash you at all....in fact I agree with you. But I can't take that gamble at this track, now at a nicer facility maybe.... I have seen Charles put up $1000 to win a back half class and get 3 cars, one of them was his. I know Brad gathered up $1000 for a Prostreet class and got a few cars to come, but still no spectators. I guess just to be honest, I messed up trying the $5 spectator in the beginning. It just put me to far behind to want to try to put up a lot of money. I may be willing to try it with a minimum car count and an entry fee, but any time a racer hears minimum car count it turns them off. So...I don't know! LOL
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May 20, 2012 23:56:02 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 20, 2012 23:56:02 GMT -6
I think a minimum car count and allowing throttle stops would help in index races especially this weekend but the pay split is different ive made semis in noe twice now and have gotten 60 dollars total with there being 20 NO-E cars this past Saturday winners purse had to have been on heavy side in my opinion winner should get half of purse runnerup half of what's left and the semis split what's left of that but as far as index goes for shoot out could say ten car minimum with the 50 dollar entry that has been set that would pay 350 to win and 150 runner up if more cars than that pay semis just my opinion if I can help with anything let me know cause I don't want it to end but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
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May 21, 2012 0:02:29 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 21, 2012 0:02:29 GMT -6
Jimmy, I would try the throttle stop deal this weekend if it wasnt to late?? I don't know...right now its past my bed time LOL.
In the brackets you think it should be Winner 50%, runner up 25% and Semi 12.5%? Did I read that right? Cause I will try anything that will help!
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May 21, 2012 0:07:02 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 0:07:02 GMT -6
Yes I do think that should be the payout arrangement that's how Charles did it and it seemed to work good
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May 21, 2012 0:13:28 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 0:13:28 GMT -6
If just 3 in semis though winner 50% runnerup gets 30% and semi gets 20% let me know about throttle stops and I will call everyone I know to tell them this week
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May 21, 2012 0:14:03 GMT -6
Post by jimb on May 21, 2012 0:14:03 GMT -6
Joe sorry had plans, but hope things turn around. I don't see how no entry fee can work that my opinion I might get bashed but that what I think all other tracks charge something for any class I know your trying this but if its not working you might have to try charging all classes, me and Terry might drive a long way to come and race but were willing to pay an entry fee for big tire. We like racing here we want to see you make this go Jim ( just someone that has fun racing )
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May 21, 2012 0:18:42 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 0:18:42 GMT -6
I agree with you Jim I don't ever see that working cause that has left around 3000 on table at last two shootouts. I think any logical person who races would agree they should pay an entry fee..
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May 21, 2012 8:54:30 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 21, 2012 8:54:30 GMT -6
Well first off, I'm not going to bash anyone of you for your opinion...I asked for it!
Jim I understand people make plans! its OK! And I value your opinion greatly. You and Terry have been overly supportive of me and I can't thank either one of you enough!
The ONLY reason I haven't been charging an entry fee is because in the last 5 years the heads up program has been suffering. Also, it seemed to work real good during the couple of events I did in 2006. BUT, in 2006 I also offered $3000 to win in Big tire so maybe it was the payout instead of the free entry. I really didn't know I would get so much support from my friends with the heads up cars. (and I really appreciate it!)
I do want to say this, and its not to offend any racer at all, but the ONLY night I made any decent profit was at the last heads up event where it was $10 to get in. I would have made money at the first one if it would have been $10. Bracket nights do not make me any money at all, in fact when it was $5 spectator they cost me money. So, the reason I say that, is to say that the Free entry deal isn't the whole problem. The problem is we don't draw a crowd on Bracket nights....ant that is 3 of the 4 weekends a month. David knew a lot more bracket racers so he had a good following...I know a lot more heads up racers.
Anyway, I'm going to make the June shootout a "pick what you pay" on the entry fee so if people want to support me with money, great, if you cant afford it but you want to support me by showing up and racing, great.
Jimmy, YES I will allow throttle stops at this up coming Index shootout. We will try it and see if it draws more people or if it just makes the ones against them mad and leave.
I don't want any of you to take this the wrong way, but I have to figure out some way to make the bracket nights profitable or this is never going to work.
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May 21, 2012 15:35:44 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 15:35:44 GMT -6
By changing payout in brackets you couldjust do 85% payback or take spectator fee from our entry fee before adding the money to the pot
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May 21, 2012 15:47:49 GMT -6
Post by hudgens on May 21, 2012 15:47:49 GMT -6
Hey Joe,I have owned a serveral different dragster's the last 10 years or so, to go bracket racing-as we wanted to go!But that being said-Ozark bracket series is just about a thing of the past.Carl,at Mo-Kan does have a good bracket series,but has no interest ,to do a heads up class-I have talked to him for years about doing a heads up.Here is a couple of idea's-talk to Gary Watts and Gordon Lasiter,about the bracket program and see what they could do to about getting more cars?I think maybe just do a monthly shootout and a bracket series at the same day?Forget about the Friday TNT just do a big race once a month!July and August are going to be slow anyway because of the heat on the track as well as the people.The reason the heads class has suffered over the years,because only Troy Scott was the only one, that could figure how to get down the track!He won about every race?Forget about the free entry also,it cost money to do anything -now days.Just be fair on the spectators fees and as far as us racers,we want a place to hang out and have a good time,and a place to race our cars-we will pay to do so!We will help anyway we can Joe!Terry Hudgens
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May 21, 2012 16:11:19 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 16:11:19 GMT -6
On a Sunday bracket day at centerville maybe drive down there and just talk to racers and hand them some flyers and ask them what it would take to get them to give ya a try on centervilles of weekends just a thought
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May 21, 2012 16:12:09 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 16:12:09 GMT -6
Maybe do the same thing at Tulsa since you have a good crew
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May 21, 2012 16:23:21 GMT -6
Post by tamray on May 21, 2012 16:23:21 GMT -6
I know there r a few racers that left last year and have not returned yet ( rick pershall and I believe mark candy) just to name a few may try to Contact them maybe they will give u a shot at this.......a few racers have been burned in the past and that is one reason why some won't come back....I don't want to see this track go under we will help as much as possible...
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May 21, 2012 19:01:16 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 21, 2012 19:01:16 GMT -6
Hey Joe,I have owned a serveral different dragster's the last 10 years or so, to go bracket racing-as we wanted to go!But that being said-Ozark bracket series is just about a thing of the past.Carl,at Mo-Kan does have a good bracket series,but has no interest ,to do a heads up class-I have talked to him for years about doing a heads up.Here is a couple of idea's-talk to Gary Watts and Gordon Lasiter,about the bracket program and see what they could do to about getting more cars?I think maybe just do a monthly shootout and a bracket series at the same day?Forget about the Friday TNT just do a big race once a month!July and August are going to be slow anyway because of the heat on the track as well as the people.The reason the heads class has suffered over the years,because only Troy Scott was the only one, that could figure how to get down the track!He won about every race?Forget about the free entry also,it cost money to do anything -now days.Just be fair on the spectators fees and as far as us racers,we want a place to hang out and have a good time,and a place to race our cars-we will pay to do so!We will help anyway we can Joe!Terry Hudgens When it gets super hot, we may not open every weekend. I know I hated getting in the car when it was 100+ outside. After this shootout in June I may charge an entry fee for heads up and see if car count/profit changes. Fridays actually make a little money, and when I say little I mean little LOL, but they don't cost me and I don't mind doing it. I think I love drag racing to much haha! I mainly need to get bracket weekends to be profitable. Only problem with lowering the payout to 80% is we already have so few cars I'm afraid we would have even fewer?? I don't know, I could be wrong but some racers are all about the money, not all of them think like you guys that want to support me. In fact I had one guy go home because we wanted him to pay for TNT when he was trying to use it as a time trial, crazy how grown men will cry over the smallest things! Anyway, I appreciate all of your guys support and help. Maybe we can all make this thing work.
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May 21, 2012 19:08:45 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 19:08:45 GMT -6
I would have figured if the Friday night was making money that bracket nights would be because there are alot more people there as far as spectators to buy concessions and the brackets don't take money from your pocket because they don't require the same track prep as the outlaws do especially with only 10 or less cars being at Friday nights and 2 or 3 spectators Hahahahaha
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May 21, 2012 19:10:35 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 19:10:35 GMT -6
And brackets paying entry fee
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May 21, 2012 19:12:43 GMT -6
Post by hudgens on May 21, 2012 19:12:43 GMT -6
Joe,I not for sure what Big tire payout is,but me and Duane will add $500.00 to the winner and $150. to runner up!For the June 2-Shootout1Terry
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May 21, 2012 19:17:58 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 21, 2012 19:17:58 GMT -6
That's cool terry wish we could get someone to step up like that for the bracket cars man.
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May 21, 2012 20:37:42 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 21, 2012 20:37:42 GMT -6
I would have figured if the Friday night was making money that bracket nights would be because there are alot more people there as far as spectators to buy concessions and the brackets don't take money from your pocket because they don't require the same track prep as the outlaws do especially with only 10 or less cars being at Friday nights and 2 or 3 spectators Hahahahaha Well really all things figured in your probably right, friday night does cost me some. When I say cost me, I mean cover VHT, Insurance, labor, etc. If I was to figure all that for a friday night, it probably does cost me! Thanks for reminding me! LOL
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May 21, 2012 20:40:28 GMT -6
Post by Joe Mumma on May 21, 2012 20:40:28 GMT -6
Joe,I not for sure what Big tire payout is,but me and Duane will add $500.00 to the winner and $150. to runner up!For the June 2-Shootout1Terry Man thats awesome, I hope the other racers appreciate it as much as I do! All the shootout info is posted in the thread that is a "sticky" at the top of the board. But payout was $1500 to win and $500 for r/u so that will make it $2000 to win and $650 r/u and $100 semi.
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May 21, 2012 21:07:52 GMT -6
Post by johnnygilliam on May 21, 2012 21:07:52 GMT -6
I always just come to support the track and make passes. Last Saturday was my first bracket race down there and I won a couple rounds with no buyback... It was alot of fun... The hotter it gets the less you will see of me because I start spending more time on the boat like this coming weekend. I certainly hope it works out because Outlaw is my favorite track anywhere!
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May 22, 2012 1:17:21 GMT -6
Post by sprado on May 22, 2012 1:17:21 GMT -6
I believe a couple of weeks after Memorial Day I will have the car back together and be back racing. I got my transmission fixed, but have to send the converter back to TCI to get checked and cleaned. I have to race on a fixed budget so it takes me longer to get things fixed if they break. I do miss my racing buddies.
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May 22, 2012 6:34:40 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 22, 2012 6:34:40 GMT -6
Hope to see ya soon Stephen.
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May 23, 2012 13:34:27 GMT -6
Post by jimb on May 23, 2012 13:34:27 GMT -6
Joe everywhere is having trouble with spectator's at a bracket race even mokan their car count is down from years ago its because of the economy wish I had the answer Jim
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May 23, 2012 17:32:15 GMT -6
Post by jimmy on May 23, 2012 17:32:15 GMT -6
I thauhht just by looking at the stands we had a pretty good spectator turn out last Saturday compered to what it has been
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May 24, 2012 15:39:45 GMT -6
Post by tx81 on May 24, 2012 15:39:45 GMT -6
I think simple is the key. With low car count, you cant have index, TNT and brakets. Only have 2 classes, no-e and super-pro. Every car buys a tech card for one of the 2 classes. Tnt cars get 4 passes guaranteed and can test after they get put out. This teaches your tnt guys how to bracket race and it makes your car count in that class look bigger. Other tracks/racers want to hear bigger car count. Save index racing for shootouts. The mall idea is great, Sallisaw is small and not much to do on Saturday night, so show the people you have some entertainment going on, make it a party as well as a race. Come watch one of our Midnight drags, you will see what I mean.
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May 24, 2012 21:14:29 GMT -6
Post by JustinLanders on May 24, 2012 21:14:29 GMT -6
I think Randall's idea sounds good.
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