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Post by Joe Mumma on Mar 14, 2012 22:21:53 GMT -6
Some love for the bracket racers! Date: JUNE 16th Pro Bracket class $5000 Win $500 R/U $100 semi
$100 entry $50 Buy back 1st or 2nd rnd. 50 car minimum for the $5000 to win, if we don't get 50 cars, it will payout 90%
So if you guys can get 50 cars to show up, I'm putting up $700 extra. Usually from what I have seen, the car minimum has to cover the payout. Not at this race! You guys pay for the win, Ill pay the rest!
If enough super pro or street bracket cars start showing up, I Will do this same thing for them, I need to see you guys show up! I know Pro (No/e) is the biggest class from what I have seen.
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Post by gingerlynn on Mar 15, 2012 6:58:11 GMT -6
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Post by jimmy on Mar 15, 2012 16:39:38 GMT -6
Ill be there for sure!!
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Post by slim on Apr 11, 2012 17:50:57 GMT -6
will there be double entry avaliable for this race
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Post by Joe Mumma on Apr 11, 2012 19:54:50 GMT -6
will there be double entry avaliable for this race I say no...but I will talk to my bracket race consultant and get back with you on this. If its not a hassle then I dont mind, but it wont count toward the 50 car minimum.
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Post by pattynbill on Apr 12, 2012 4:56:11 GMT -6
MO Money!
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Post by Joe Mumma on Jun 5, 2012 22:04:03 GMT -6
I will allow double entry to this race, It will not count toward the 50 car minimum.
If we do not get 50 cars payout will be like normal.
50% win 20% r/u 10% semi each
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Post by jimmy on Jun 5, 2012 23:38:37 GMT -6
Can't wait hope for a good turn out so we can get the 5gs to win I've runneruped this race twice in a row time to win it this year..
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Post by jimmy on Jun 5, 2012 23:40:53 GMT -6
In the past ln Friday night at this race we have done a gamblers race what do you think about that..
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Post by Joe Mumma on Jun 6, 2012 7:23:37 GMT -6
I will....you will just have to tell me how it works lol.
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Post by Joe Mumma on Jun 6, 2012 7:45:36 GMT -6
If this race makes me money i will do one a month, what do you guys think about that.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 6, 2012 8:07:30 GMT -6
Sounds great to me!!!!
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Post by jeff on Jun 7, 2012 9:59:56 GMT -6
I will allow double entry to this race, It will not count toward the 50 car minimum. If we do not get 50 cars payout will be like normal. 50% win 20% r/u 10% semi each Hey Joe, a few of us may be coming to your race from the Stillwater area. We have serious concern's tho. If a racer pay's you for two tech card's. That's two entries. There is no gray area here. Two tech card's = two entries, and should be counted as such. This WILL affect your turnout. Best to not have them, if they are not counted. Also, you need to seriously look at your payout and do some math. At 49 entries, your race pay's much, much, much better to everyone but the winner, than it does at 50 entries. At 50, the Runner-up get's $500, at 49 r-up get's $980. Semi's get $100 @ 50, it's $490 @ 49. As you can see, theres work to be done. You simply can't penalize racer's, for showing up.
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Post by Joe Mumma on Jun 7, 2012 10:36:50 GMT -6
Jeff I will meet you in the middle, because you are right, if a racer pays for another entry, its just like another car was there. So yes I will count double entry toward the 50 car minimum. How about i call it a 50 entry minimum. But what im not changing is the payout scale if we dont get the 50. I hope this helps!
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Post by jeff on Jun 7, 2012 12:21:33 GMT -6
Thank's Joe! Believe me, I understand you wanting to keep the payout as is if the count isn't met. everyone is happier except the winner. $4410 is the total payout at 49 entries, $5700 total payout at 50. And that's assuming there are an even number of semi's. IMHO, the runner up, and the semi's should at least pay the same at 50, as it does at 49. I also understand that a 5k carrot look's good dangling on paper. But a 4k to win with the extra grand paid back so it's not so top-heavy might appeal to more racers. I'll be there either way. Just hoping I can remember how to drive. See you all soon.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 7, 2012 15:59:06 GMT -6
Odds are winner and runnerip will work out a split if some type ant way the best thing would be for the four in semis to work out spay split they are happy with lol.. Now this being said with double entries being added in if we get more than 50 will a percentage of that be added back to the runnerup and semi purses?? Because with the double entry that will be possible ..
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Post by jeff on Jun 7, 2012 17:33:24 GMT -6
I'm fairly well versed on split's, and understand it will be happening. But that isn't the point. A Big $ race is being advertised that's pay's more money, if less car's show's up. To everyone but the winner. Sorry, but that really doesn't make sense. This race, at 40 car's, will pay the runner up $800. It pay's $500 at 50 car's. Where is the logic in that. If you want to have a successful race, it has to as least make sense. Racers who are used to Big $ Bracket racing, do the math before they ever go to a race. The math here is all jacked up. That will be reflected in the car count.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 7, 2012 18:13:04 GMT -6
I don't remember ever getting 50 for this race anyway but we will see I'm racing for fun anyway so hope everybody shows up for that reason and there will be no drama its nice to win money but odd are not in any 1 persons favor so good luck to all and lets remember we aren't going to get rich bracket racing and it is supposed to be fun so lets try to keep it that way
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Post by jeff on Jun 7, 2012 18:51:37 GMT -6
While I understand your sentiment Jimmy. In this particular case, I respectfully disagree. We are talking about a Big $ Bracket race. It's only about the money. If it weren't about the money, myself, as well as other's wouldn't drive 3 1/2 hour's and pay $100 to race. Everyone there, will be there, FOR THE MONEY, including you. I remember getting count's in the 70's at this race before. The thing about specialty races. You have to present something that make's racer's WANT to come to your track and spend their money. If they can't make sense of the purse. Chance's are they will pass you by. Again, just my opinion, but I believe this race would draw more if it were 3000 to win 1500 r-up, 500 semis and $100 quarters. More people get paid a decent amount, that mean's more happy racers talking about your track in a good way. And the Total payout is still only 5900 assuming there's an even number of semi's and quarters. Some food for thought, if nothing else.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 7, 2012 19:48:38 GMT -6
That would be fine with me I would go for about anything paying that kind of money lol but like I said odds are I won't have to worry about the payout anyway..
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Post by slim on Jun 8, 2012 15:19:28 GMT -6
i agree with u jeff the 3000 to win helps not only the racer but the track too and keep it a double tech card race ect.. it looks more appealing to see 3000 to win 1500 runner up 500 semis ect id be there for what it is now but if u want better car counts tweak it just a tad bit just my OPINION!!! ;D
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Post by Joe Mumma on Jun 8, 2012 21:12:29 GMT -6
I would consider changing it to $3000 win, $1500 r/u, $500 semi but no qrt. money.
I have to make money bottom line. So far Bracket nights have done nothing but cost me or break even. Even leaving it at $5000 to win, its going to cost me $700 to pay R/U and Semi's if we get the 50 cars....and bracket nights dont make $700. I'm counting on buy backs to cover that part of it.
I wish more bracket racers would speak up, because its hard to make a change from only a few people opinions.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 8, 2012 23:13:07 GMT -6
It would be fine with me
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Post by jeff on Jun 9, 2012 7:49:39 GMT -6
I think no quarter money will be fine with everyone with a pay-scale like that, Joe. With that kind of structure, there's no need to do a split either. I also think everyone want's you to make some coin. If the track make's money, the track stay's open. That's a win, win for all. Something you may consider. Is making a progressive scale. Keep it as you say @ 50. But maybe say, @60 car's, you will pay $100 quarter's. Or maybe @ 80 car's it's 4k to win. Something that will encourage a larger car count, but will pay for itself. I'll do my best to get the word out for you. And we'll bring all we can from this area. I know a lot of Bracket racers, don't post on here a lot. But I know a lot of them. And every single person I've spoke with about your race. Prefer's the 3k, 15 hun, and 5 hun pay scale better. Good luck Joe, we'll see you soon.
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Post by gingerlynn on Jun 9, 2012 8:31:10 GMT -6
Excited to see you and Kellie, Jeff!!!!
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Post by kellieann on Jun 9, 2012 18:58:16 GMT -6
;D
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Post by gingerlynn on Jun 9, 2012 19:44:24 GMT -6
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Post by clint on Jun 9, 2012 20:22:11 GMT -6
I like jeffs idea a lot better than the current structer for this race. Its just way to top heavy. I have been at this race two times and the car count feel a little short Of the 80 car min. But only by a few cars. Its a d**n good payout! However, only the winner will go home satisfied financially. I'm for the graduated payout if we exceed your 50 car minimum. I think if you get the 70 cars like we had before it would be nice to see some quarters money. Its always good to win back atleast enough to cover the fuel of getting there to race. Maybe have a drivers meeting and take a vote or get ideas before we race would be good also.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 10, 2012 0:20:55 GMT -6
Everyone be sure to come Friday night for the gamblers race and tnt this would be a good time for a drivers meeting and to get payout for Saturday figured out just my opion
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Post by Joe Mumma on Jun 10, 2012 8:00:56 GMT -6
Im all for the 3000, 1500, 500. Im just worried that i advertised 5000 to win and not everyone gets on the internet to see it changed. Thats all i need is to run off what little bracket racers we have left.
Also, i will work on the payout scale if we dont get 50 cars. Some suggestions would be good. Gordon said cut just the winner 2/3s??? If i understood correctly.
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