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Post by jimmy on Feb 18, 2012 8:28:22 GMT -6
i didnt have what i meant was i knew it was legal for the past five years thats y i got one last year.
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Post by ventura7211 on Feb 18, 2012 8:48:40 GMT -6
IF I could have bought an automatic valve body that shifted as hard as this manual does. I'd still have an automatic shifter... BUT I couldn't so I have a ''manual'' shifting auto with an electric solenoid shifting it... So you are saying it is possible to have an automatic trans that you could have raced without having buy a "late model" car equipped with an ECM? I was starting to think I have really bad luck with all the carbed non ECM/electronic shifter equipped cars I have owned that shifted on their own. SSSOOOOO with that being said. I hope you allow electic shifters in No/E because it'd be nice to be able to race my car in both classes. Are you saying you would be disadvantaged running super pro against cars with electronic/air shifters if you did not have one?
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Post by cd on Feb 18, 2012 8:50:52 GMT -6
For whatever this is worth, my opinion is to allow the electric and air shifters in NO/E.
My reasoning for this is simple, I know the man that won NO/E at Joplin, Mo. two years ago (Bryan Walker). He did NOT run a transbrake nor an electric or air shifter. I asked him why and his response was this "If I can't hit the shift at 7200 then I dont need to be racing". This guy won his class and could have sat out the last three races of the season and would have still won it.
With that said, if you're good enough, you're good enough with or without the electronics.
I'm not sure how many will actually run both NO/E and S/P, but if it helps the car count in both classes then maybe the electric and air shifters should be allowed (business decision).
Not going to argue with anyone, this is simply an opinion, at the end of the day we will all race with Joes rules and be happy about it! 8^)
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Post by ventura7211 on Feb 18, 2012 8:54:50 GMT -6
i didnt have what i meant was i knew it was legal for the past five years thats y i got one last year. Wait, so you somehow managed to survive without one for 15 years and now after a single year you can not survive with out it? Things change, like owner/operators. When the Woods guys took over things changed with "they way it use to be/ was" no longer the case. I guess it sucks for the solenoid manufacturers that the Woods and guys who had it last year got tired of making money. www.outlawdragstrip.com/classesrules.html
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Post by tamray on Feb 18, 2012 10:00:58 GMT -6
i dont know where u got u cant survive with out it....but whatever, there r ways to hide that crap, i think (opinion) whet some of the racers r saying is someone is going to have to be on top of the sitiation if they are not allowed...but hey if they dont allow great if they great...we will be there supporting the track like we have done for years now...just sayin!!!! hope everyone has a outstanding day!!!!!
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Post by Jon Hollis on Feb 18, 2012 10:24:54 GMT -6
You lost me on this first part there Ventura.... I don't know of any ''automatic'' valve bodies that shift on their own as built from the factory as a ''manual'' shift valve body will. I also don't know anything about how a late model ecm car shifts.
Second part.... The solenoid is bolted in.. Not going to fight unbolting an re-bolting it to race 2 classes. I tried racing Super/Pro witthout one BUT I never shifted consistantly enough. I'd watch the tach an sometimes shift early or I'd blink an miss the shift light. So I ponied up the $$$ an bought a shift solenoid for consistancy.
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Post by Jon Hollis on Feb 18, 2012 10:30:23 GMT -6
OH an I still suck at Bracket Racing BUT I enjoy racing anyway!!!
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Post by gingerlynn on Feb 18, 2012 10:38:52 GMT -6
U don't suck Jon! Don't be mean to urself like that!!!
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Post by jimmy on Feb 18, 2012 10:51:33 GMT -6
yes i did survive without it for all them years and won more than my share of races and 2 track championships and have finished in the top 5 all but 2 of them years and i did buy one last year and would like to continue using it sorry so with that being said no need in being a smart elic ( if you Ventura arent a bracket racer or dont help anybody with a bracket car or arent involved with the track then all of this does not concern you) so i would appreciate the attitude coming to an end thanks
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Post by ventura7211 on Feb 18, 2012 11:24:16 GMT -6
You lost me on this first part there Ventura.... I don't know of any ''automatic'' valve bodies that shift on their own as built from the factory as a ''manual'' shift valve body will. From the factory? No, but they can be modified to work the same and still remain automatic. I also don't know anything about how a late model ecm car shifts. Depends on year/make/model. You can do the same with a TH400, for example, the difference is you have to climb under the car to make changes to the shift points instead using a HID to change them like you can with most of the newer cars. Second part.... The solenoid is bolted in.. Not going to fight unbolting an re-bolting it to race 2 classes. I tried racing Super/Pro witthout one BUT I never shifted consistantly enough. I'd watch the tach an sometimes shift early or I'd blink an miss the shift light. So I ponied up the $$$ an bought a shift solenoid for consistancy. Your answer makes perfect sense to me. I'm aware of how they are installed as I've removed them out of several cars for safety reasons.
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Post by Joe Mumma on Feb 18, 2012 11:24:44 GMT -6
There are a lot of good points in this thread, my favorite one being Jons where he said "So I ponied up the $$$ an bought a shift solenoid for consistency." That is my favorite!
That right there is what it boils down too, consistency. In my opinion it has nothing to do with safety. 3500 HP on drag radials with no wheelie bars, flirting with Brock lesners wife....those are safety concerns! haha
No/E has always been no electronics for as long as I can remember. Then we started getting fancy names like foot brake class, No box class, etc so we could allow more and more devices that help us be more consistent.
The track has been here for more than 5 years, and I know for a fact electronic/air shift solenoids we not allowed in NO/E before the Woods Bros took over. (I did bracket race some).
But, with that all being said, majority does rule in my book, and there have been a few more speak up, so:
[glow=red,2,300]I will allow electric shifters in No/E. Soon to be called Some/E.[/glow]
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Post by gingerlynn on Feb 18, 2012 11:32:42 GMT -6
Haha! Some/E! Now THAT makes sense! Thanks Joe. Now we can focus on other things
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Post by Jon Hollis on Feb 18, 2012 11:36:23 GMT -6
Some/E......... LOVE IT!!!!!!!!
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Post by johnnygilliam on Feb 18, 2012 20:17:08 GMT -6
Guess my vote won't count because I have been too busy working on the car to be goofing around on here... I think if you win or runner up without an electric or air shifter then you should get extra cash because you DROVE your car more than the other guys did
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Post by tamray on Feb 18, 2012 20:55:08 GMT -6
really? johnnygilliam...thats just craziness....a win is a win if its LEGAL!!!! shouldnt get any more(money) because u manually shift your car...
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Post by johnnygilliam on Feb 18, 2012 21:36:50 GMT -6
Yes tamray... it's an advantage...
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Post by Joe Mumma on Feb 18, 2012 22:48:32 GMT -6
Guess my vote won't count because I have been too busy working on the car to be goofing around on here... I think if you win or runner up without an electric or air shifter then you should get extra cash because you DROVE your car more than the other guys did Your vote does count, and believe me, I agree with you, they are an advantage! BUT, like I said, if the majority wants them, then thats what we will do in ANY class, not just this one.
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Post by gingerlynn on Feb 18, 2012 22:55:43 GMT -6
Should be an interesting year
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Post by gingerlynn on Feb 18, 2012 23:01:51 GMT -6
G'night friends. Rest well....I will sleep with visions of shifters dancing in my head
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Post by tamray on Feb 19, 2012 1:07:56 GMT -6
very interesting year.....next subject please?!!!! lol
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Post by jimmy on Feb 19, 2012 6:14:56 GMT -6
Hey Joe i want to say I and i am sure several others appreciate you being honest with the outcome of the shifter issue since we all know how you felt about it because of the honesty i think that this will be a good start to a great year and we will be sure everyone knows about and supports the track as much or more than they ever have before again thanks for the honesty..
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Post by slim on Feb 23, 2012 18:28:37 GMT -6
Before everybody goes out and buys the eletric shift device its not gonna win u one race, yes it helps the car shift at the same rpm every time but ur at a marginal track no disrespect at nite its hard to see the groove so u may spin and loose time bc ur car as already shifted ... the only advantage is not taking ur hand off the steering wheel u still gotta catch a light and drive the finishline just my two pennys may save somebody two ;D ;D good luck with the program joe i will be there to support the track also and bring who i can from the tulsa area..
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Post by johnnygilliam on Feb 23, 2012 19:34:54 GMT -6
Before everybody goes out and buys the eletric shift device its not gonna win u one race, yes it helps the car shift at the same rpm every time but ur at a marginal track no disrespect at nite its hard to see the groove so u may spin and loose time bc ur car as already shifted ... the only advantage is not taking ur hand off the steering wheel u still gotta catch a light and drive the finishline just my two pennys may save somebody two ;D ;D good luck with the program joe i will be there to support the track also and bring who i can from the tulsa area.. Do you have an electric shift device?
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Post by johnnygilliam on Feb 23, 2012 19:36:47 GMT -6
Whatever happened to we're gonna use our name? I see initials to outright handles and very few full names... Still don't know who we are talking too...
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Post by gingerlynn on Feb 23, 2012 20:08:37 GMT -6
Sorry about that Ginger Cato
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Post by slim on Feb 23, 2012 20:17:24 GMT -6
I DONT use a eletric shift and dont need one we may as well use tranny breaks also no e is NO ELECTRONICS SLIM COREY COFFEE no handles here
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Post by tamray on Feb 23, 2012 20:36:51 GMT -6
why is everyone acting as though this is a new thing...still confused..but i do agree with u slim...gotta cut those lights....and if its your night its your night!!!!!? lots of great dragracers at sallisaw...cant wait to see everbody again....
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Post by tamray on Feb 23, 2012 20:51:29 GMT -6
hey slim u always caught me off guard when u would put corey coffee on your tec card...lol..when i would announce it always through me for aloop...hahaha....
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Post by gingerlynn on Feb 23, 2012 20:56:07 GMT -6
What I don't understand is how a car equipped with an electric shifter that shifts at the same rpm each and every pass resulting in consistency isn't an advantage. I don't care if they allow them or not, honestly. My only thing is will they or won't they, we know they are and thats all I wanted to clear up. Lol. Now those who want them can buy them and be competitive.
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Post by johnnygilliam on Feb 23, 2012 20:59:07 GMT -6
... Funny Transbrakes are mentioned because I just got a new Shiny one and Brian Ratliff built me a nice T-400 to use around it... I don't bracket race much so no worries... love them indexes
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